Pop quiz #466 pt.2

We’re home! Nobody died, save one catnip plant. The boy is happy with the freeze-dried ice cream I bought at the Smithsonian flight and space museum. Very glad to be back.

Re: pop quiz 466:
As many of you have already figured out, the larger view I linked to gave it away, as much as it could be given away. That was accidental of course, not much I could do about it at the time. For those who didn’t click through, I’m including the quotation (at close) and a full size version of page 51 (500kb). As you’ll see (right, even that link to page 51 is not helping much when it comes to figuring out those collars on page 53, although unto itself, 51 is self explanatory (for the most part).

I’ve included the larger images from page 54 also at close, which is what I’d meant to do the first time. So play with this one for awhile. I’m still having trouble wrapping my head around it but then, I’m not exactly able to concentrate readily at the moment. I’m very encouraged by what you’ve all done thus far. Great work!

The three shawl collars on page 54, should be, to a great extend, self-explanatory. If in doubt, turn to page 51.[sic]

The center-front is marked on every pattern. Make them up in the actual size (4 to 1) and attach them to a pattern or canvas model, so that both center-fronts shall run together.

When upon trying, you find the inner-collar binding, make the neckline-curve more pronounced. See dotted line in fig.68. This change will cause the upper line of the inner-collar to get longer; add to the outer-collar accordingly. (See part A in fig.68.)

The shawl collar usually requires a width of 5 to 6 inches. As there is seldom a case when so much overlap is wanted, the upper part of the pattern, where the lapel is attached, is brought out in a diagonal way as in fig. 69.

There are so many collars and so many variations of collars that to teach them all, is an impossibility. All however are made on one or more of the basic principles, mentioned. Sometimes the very same collar in a different position, will look like an entirely different collar. The same collars, with different hights or upper shapes, may seem to be different collars. If in doubt, it is the best to cut a paper pattern and try it on a dress form. corrections, or a new paper pattern can be easily made.[sic]

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  1. massa says:

    Hi, kathleen.
    Is there the back block for these patterns in the book? I think I got the solution and I want to confirm my answers.

    My approch is to set my knowledge aside and to look into an old fashion book for 30’s fashion drawings since the book was published in 1941. Then, I understood why the author wrote these patterns are self-explanatory. Also, I assume the definition of their shawl collar and our shawl collar is a little bit different.

    I reflexed my brain. Thanks for the quiz.

  2. Lisa Bloodgood says:

    The top 5 drawings in the photo at the top look like they’re showing you how to get a contoured piece from a straight piece. The bottom drawing (fig. 66) looks like you’d make pleats at the neckline edge of the collar and fit it in, which would make the outer edge flare out and fall in some apparently fashionable way. Not sure on the other drawing.
    Fig. 66 seems the same principle as what’s going on in fig. 67. Not sure with figs. 68 and 69.
    But then, I’ve been sewing waaaaaaaaay longer than I’ve been making patterns.

  3. Kathleen says:

    Is there the back block for these patterns in the book? I think I got the solution and I want to confirm my answers.

    Hi Massa. Really, I’m not ignoring anyone. I’ve had another blog in the works and had hoped to have it up by now. Btw, avoid Dream Host. Anyway, the other blog is only about patterns. I thought I’d start that rather than posting about it here, otherwise all I got could overwhelm topics here for some time to come.

  4. Babette says:

    I wondered if that collar with the little darts at the back edge might be one of those 30s shawl type collars that is stuffed with fill to create a great roll up behind the head – looks like you travel with your own built in airline neck cushion thing.

  5. kate says:

    Dream Host bad? Shoot. I thought I’d try them out.

    Nice quiz Kathleen.
    I swear I think I saw Sharon Stone wear something like that on an old episode of Boston Legal. Then again, I’m still a pattern novice so I could be imagining things.

    So jealous of your Great Library adventure :) Thanks for sharing though…
    oh and you should definitely check this out: http://www.openlibrary.org
    The full book feature is awesome :)

  6. I just figured out one thing, which might have been obvious to everyone:these are collar facings. So, for example, everything to the Right of the CF line in fig.67 is the collar. for example, fig 69 is a sort of funnel-shaped collar with a “facing” that lies closer to the neck. It’s actually a pretty shape.

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